The facts: Sipgate not reachable any more

August 10, 2006

OK, Sipgate’s support was quite helpful, although a bit confusing.

After my first email where i asked if it’s correct that Sipgate subscribers aren’t reachable from other networks than their own, they said:

“Sie sind, nach wie vor, aus allen Netzen wie bisher erreichbar. Sie sind lediglich nur von unseren Partnernetzen aus gebührenfrei zu erreichen.”
(“You’re still reachable from all networks. Just that only calls originating from our and partner-network are chargefree only”)

This was a badass sentence; i read it as “you’re reachable – nothing changed.”

But it actually meant: “You’re reachable via SIP from our and partner-networks – from other networks you need you be called by the PSTN-number.” – which is not free of charge.

They wrote:

Hallo Herr Janssen,

Verbindungen über Ihre SIP-URI sind nicht mehr möglich. Verbindungen von anderen Providern die kein Partnernetz sind, müssen die
Verbindung über das normale Telefonnetz abwickeln. Dem Anrufer wird dafür ein normales Gespräch berechnet. Anrufer aus unseren
Partnernetzen erreichen Sie weiterhin kostenlos.

Intern im sipgatenetz sind Sie weiterhin über Ihre Rufnummer und Ihre SIP-ID erreichbar.

(“Connections via your SIP-URI aren’t possible any more. Connections from other Providers who are not our partner have to use the fixed network. The caller has to pay a regular fee for a normal phone-call. Calls from partner-networks are still free of charge.

Inside the Sipgate-network you’re still reachabl via your phone-number and SIP-ID.”)

Allright, they changed their business completly. They want to make profit of inbound calls like normal fixed-network carriers or mobile phone providers do. That’s apparently quite a big business and Sipgate wants it’s piece of cake.

Sipgate has a list of partner-networks on their homepage from which Sipgate-subscribers are reachable.

Sipgate-subscribers are not reachable from any other network via SIP.

Sipgate-subscribers won’t be reachable by kphone, gnomemeeting or any other application which can establish direct SIP-calls if you do not use a registry which is Sipgate’s partner.
A pity, a real shame. I still got a handful of Euros on my prepaid-account, i guess i’ll get rid of these.

What i find really disturbing is that Sipgate didn’t inform their customers. Why do i have to learn this from 3rd party services? Why didn’t they write an email? Why did i have to spend two hours of my spare-time to figure out what’s going on? Thankfully i have a choice of a bunch of other registries which still offer SIP-service as you want it: Not necessarily free, but reachable by everyone who follows the SIP-protocol.

What are they going to do next: Will QSC stop receiving emails from T-Online because net-neutrality is for commies?

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Still WTF: Sipgate to *charge* for inbound SIP-calls

August 10, 2006

Note: This article is not correct; further support-requests revealed something else, see http://itnomad.wordpress.com/2006/08/10/the-facts-sipgate-not-reachable-any-more/ for details. –alex.

OK, all hell broke lose: Sipgate Germany is going to charge for inbound SIP-calls if the inbound call does not originate from a “partner network”.

My questions and their answers in german:

Hallo Herr Janssen,

> “bedeuetet dies, das eingehende SIP-Gespraeche ueber Internet von anderen
> Registraren, wie meinentwegen dus.net oder telio.no – so fern dies keine
> Partnernetze sind – auch ueber IP kostenpflichtig werden?”

Das ist richtig.

> “Was, wenn mich meine Frau von meiner Asterisk-Anlage auf meinem Laptop mit
> meinem Sipgate-VOIP Client erreichen will?”

Wenn Ihre Frau einen Sipgate Account dazu benutzt, bleibt das
Gespräch gebührenfrei.

I think they need serious consultancy, they apparently didn’t understand the concept of Voice over IP – or they just have some really unclever marketing which tries out new “business models”.

They are doooooooooooomed!

Alex.


WTF: Sipgate to ban inbound internet SIP-calls??

August 10, 2006

I just got this email from e164.org, a service which maps my SIP-address on my assigned phone-number in DNS:

We were notified this week that SipGate no longer allows calls to
their users by anyone else on the internet. While this is their
prerogative we have a few suggestions so you are still able to
receive calls in future.

An option would be to sign up with http://www.VoXaLoT.com. One of
their primary features allows you to register with multiple
providers similar to having your own asterisk setup.

Alternatively you are also able to point a DynDNS.com host name at
your handset and by-pass upstream proxy server limitations.

Please note that all enum entries containing SipGate will be removed,
you will not need to re-verify your phone numbers, you will just
need to add new SIP URIs.

e164.org Support
support@e164.org

What the hell? This sounds pretty much like suicide to me! I don’t think that Sipgate is that stupid to piss of their customers?

Does anyone have more news on this?

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